When it comes to guitar pedals/effects, there are endless possibilities of combinations to create the perfect tone for the scenario that you’re in, whether it’s just jamming at home with a jam track or in a live band setting in front of a packed venue.
One secret to finding that elusive perfect tone is to use two dirt pedals “stacked together” to cascade your gain structure instead of just running a single drive pedal with the gain all of the way up, or running a dirt pedal into a cranked amp. The term “stacking” refers to connecting more than one overdrive, distortion, or fuzz pedal together and using them both at the same time. In order to get these “stacked” pedals to sound and work properly you’ll need to use them a little differently than you would if they were ran alone. There are several advantages to doing this, including extra control of the nuances of your EQ to how the gain reacts in terms of the bloom of the notes. Here are a few tips when configuring your stacking setup to maximize tone:
- When stacking 2 dirt pedals together, the second pedal in the chain dictates the overall tone of the stack. What does this mean? Let’s use a TS-9 tube screamer and the Plexi Drive (JTM-45 style overdrive) as examples. If you run the TS before the Plexi Drive, whatever signal is leaving the TS is going to use the Plexi as a “gateway” of sorts. This means that the EQ and the clipping on the Plexi Drive will change the way the TS sounds. By nature the TS is mid-heavy, which is great for cutting through the mix. Once it reaches the Plexi Drive, the circuit itself will take that signal and adjust the frequencies it sees according to the knob position treble and gain positions. So if you have the mid hump from the TS, but have the natural light mid-cut from the Plexi Drive, that mid-hump will be less pronounced and the gain will just add to the overall level of saturation. This will give your gain a larger, “wall of sound” effect, while placing the TS AFTER the Plexi Drive, the TS will impart that more noticeable inherent mid-hump. If you have a favorite pedal that you like as your “base tone”, you’lll either want to put that last, or put a very transparent boost (even just a clean boost) after it. One of my favorite tricks to use in a band is to use a tube screamer in a very clean gain setting and simply turn it on for warm, cutting EQ for solos. This works great to cut through the mix without raising the volume dramatically.
- Cranking the volume on the first pedal in the stack will not raise the volume, but will increase the clipping (gain) in the second pedal. When stacking 2 pedals, remember that volume before dirt = more gain, where volume after dirt = more volume. Again, the 2nd pedal acts as a “gate” and dictates the overall volume. Cranking the output of the first pedal will push the input higher and clip the signal harder. This will make a big difference, because if you want a volume boost for a solo, you’ll want to put it 2nd in the stack.
- Using an EQ pedal after your drives can help better sculpt your dirt tones. Likewise, using a drive pedal last with plenty of EQ flexibility helps similarly. When you add an EQ pedal into the stacking equation, your options open up tremendously, especially based on what EQ pedal you’re using. We live in the golden age of effects pedals, so there are loads of great EQ’s out there, some that just adjust basic 3-band EQ (Bass, Mids, Treble) and there are some that let you fine tune the exact frequency of the signal to add or cut whatever you want in your tone. Getting lost in the mix using a big muff? Crank up the mids a bit. Want a little bit of added depth in a smaller venue? Adjust up the bass frequencies to fill out the sonic canvas. This also applies when using the amp for dirt, by sticking the EQ pedal into the FX loop of your amp, then you have access to a boost and can adjust your amps gain tone to the closest detail to get that perfect tone.
- Stacking dirt pedals into an already distorted amp can add a depth and level of saturation to your tone only capable from stacking. Players have been using this method for decades to achieve their signature tones on classic records. A favorite of many people has always been a Plexi paired with a TS, which is used to boost the mids for solos. Another stack that happens often is using a Fender amp on the edge of break-up, and a Klon-style boost/OD to kick it into the stratosphere. One of the most popular and widely known stacks revolves around running a cranked fuzz face into most any type of amp (especially Plexi-style amps). The fuzz face provides a thick, wall of sound that’s great for fat sustaining leads or for chunky rhythms.
Keep in mind that there are no wrong ways to stack your gain! Some of the most surprising stacks may lead to the coolest tones. Don’t be afraid to experiment and create unique combinations that can fit any scenario you need, from two low-gain drives to provide a base tone that you can stack on more gain for solos, or a boost hitting a distortion for sustain and saturation galore.
Here is a video we released recently that details and shows examples of stacking:
A few fun Wampler-related stacks that work really well together:
- Tumnus into the Pinnacle Distortion. It adds a low-mid presence that just punches through the mix and sustains for days.
- Clarksdale into the Plexi Drive. Reminiscent of cranked Plexi tones that have an added presence and depth from the EQ shape on the Clarksdale
- Velvet Fuzz into Plexi Deluxe.From tube driver-esque tones to full on Hendrix, this is the go-to combo for great classic fuzzy blues.
- Tumnus into the Euphoria. The perfect yin and yang. The Euphoria sounds like your amps natural OD with a D-style amp feel, and the Tumnus’s low-mid presence and warmth creates a 3D tone that works for a plethora of styles of music.
There are a lot more out there. What are some of your favorite stacks?
Note: This article updated May 20, 2020 by Brian Wampler
Do you have any tips for shaping my sparkle drive tube screamer with a wampler sovereign pedal?
Shaping a particular tone is a huge and fairly complex question. You can run it sparkle drive into sovereign if you want it tighter, or get a completely different tone by running sovereign into sparkle drive. If you can describe what you’re trying to achieve tone-wise with the setup I can offer more detailed advice 🙂
It’s nice to see you so engaged. Thanks for all you do.
Thinking of Chaining a Big Muff Nano, to a Rat, to a Boss Tera Echo
hi brian,
i have both your deluxe tumnus and euphoria drive pedals.
im running my american fender deluxe strat on a bassman59 reissue all tube.
i want to achieve smooth lead tone more satriani like
and a smooth transparent overdrive.
please help me out.
big fan or your pedals
I just bought an MXR Sugar Drive and a Wampler Plexi drive mini. Any tips on stacking them.
Should sound great in either order – there are no hard and fast rules – but I would definitely start with low gain on both and take it from there…
I have a Digitech Grunge and a Digitech Screamin blues. Both are ODs but the Grunge is heavier. How should i stack them?
I prefer going Light -> Heavy
I’ve paired the Wampler Tumnus with a Keeley 1962x and they are a match made in heaven. I have space for one more overdrive pedal. What other direction or circuit could I take it? Tube screamer? What pedal would you advise putting first or last?
Hi Brian thank you very much for all your enjoyable videos. Education with you and That pedal show. Setting up first pedal board. Just a few questions -start to chain Dunlop
wah – Boss cs 2 then – option 1 TS9 to Xotic Bb preamp both set low gain
Option 2 bb preamp to Ts 9
Bb pre amp base tone so TS 9 is solo boost
What do you think ?option 2 Mainly clean tones / crunch with Tele Strat –to black star amp clean – use dirty channel rarely. Cover band occ rock stuff but funk disco indie as well.
Or should I just buy a tumnus ?? 🙂 and use after ts9.
I have a boss NS 2 – but just purchased Gig rig power. Should I ditch the Ns2 ? Any advice appreciated – best wishes from Scotland.
Hi Mr. Brian
Its a great privilege to use wampler products.
I am planning to get the velvet fuzz and the paisley Drive v2 – does the two pedal stack best together?
I recently own the dual fusion which is a great 2 in 1 pedal and I wanting to get a 2nd board which will have the paisley and fuzz pedal.
Thanks
I’ve got the Sovereign & Tumnus with the ego. What order should I put it?
Hi Brian.
My wife gave me an EQuator as a birthday gift today. I’m nothing short of amazed of the huge improvement of my tone. Running a Tumnus Deluxe in front of a Pantheon, followed by the EQuator into a VOX AC15C1. What an endless palette of beautiful tones I’ve got with this setup.
Thank you!
You’re more than welcome – glad you are enjoying the pedals!
Hmm I was thinking about having a Tumnus in front of a Dual Fusion, in my head that would render a wide range of sounds. What do you think?
Sounds good to me!
I got a tumnus and a sansamp gt2. Both ways sound good, just different. No need for cab sim.
My RAT is my main drive, I love the feel and sustain with an overdrive going into it, but like you mention, no volume boost. Tube screamers after the RAT sound and react in a way I don’t like. But I’ve only tried tube screamer types, or clean boosts. Is there a style of overdrive I should be looking for that would stack after a distortion that will give me that sustain, volume boost, and cut through a band ?
Try a Klon-type like the Tumnus instead of a TS, it boosts different frequencies and is a little less pronounced. They tend to work when TS are just a little too much.
I like the EHX Hot Tubes (drive at noon) into the Hotone Grass (drive at 1 1/2) into my Laney LG35R (crunch channel, drive at 5). The amp is already a bit Tube-y, but the Hot Tubes makes it like lava. The Grass adds some nice mid-definition and compression.
How do you recommend stacking: Fuzz Velvet, Pantheon and Tumnus ?
I’m a big fan of stacking OD pedals together, so much so that it almost seems weird to run one alone for very long. I love the results of stacking the Tumnus into the Euphoria, and the Clarksdale into the Plexi Drive.
Wondering what would be a good option to pair with a Paisley Drive? I was considering perhaps the MXR Timmy. Any thoughts?
I am running a Pantheon on low gain into Plexi Drive Deluxe with both sides on. Mainly running a 335 into a Fender Blues Deluxe. I am thinking about getting a Tumnus to run instead of the TS boost side of the Plexi D. Deluxe. So would be Pantheon into Tumnus into Plexi Drive (left side only). All with gains set fairly low so doesn’t get out of control.
Is the Tumnus overkill in that situation? I am guessing I may often run EITHER the Pantheon OR the Tumnus.
Awesome Alex, Ultra useful article! I’m curious now…
Which Wampler pedal would be in the style of a Fender amp on the edge of break-up?
My favorite distortion sound is a lightly compressed guitar into the Sovereign into a clean amp, or amp sim or whatever. I like fuzz tones but I don’t care for most fuzz pedals and find them really harsh or too fizzy, so what I do is put an EHX LPB-1 boost inbetween the compressor and the Sovereign. Pushes the distortion into some very, very nicely fuzzed-out territory! Thanks for the wonderful pedals!
I have a Behringer Vintage Tube Overdrive going into an EHX Big Muff Germanium, which itself is a distortion into OD (2 seperate circuits) So I have overdrive –> distortion –> overdrive. I feel that having th EHX last gives me better tonal options
I have a JHS Bonsai and was thinking of adding a Wampler Dual Fusion. Do you think they could work well together? If stacking how might that work?
Another idea was a Morning Glory into the Bonsai.
Overall, I’m looking for singing sustain and not fizzy overdrive.
I have Euphoria going into my stereo set up, Vox AC15 and Egnater Tweaker 15 (Jensen Blackbird Alnico). I set it up so it gives me lead tone on full Telecaster volume knob and then can be rolled off by the same knob. It does this well in many situations as it has 3 clipping modes and tone knobs.
However I feel I would like to stack another drive infront of it and Belle comes to mind as I’m not much of a mid hump guy. Would this work? Belle is not totally mid cut is it? I worry about it being bass heavy and as such maybe fuzzing out the Euphoria? Thank for all help!
Tumnus into Supro 1305 drive into a clean amp and a good delay or reverb sounds amazing.
Very very interesting! I googled this exact subject.
I’m very new to pedals and could really use your insight.
How would order this combo of Pedals, I was not sure if I should stack the Tumnus and the RAH…
I don’t have very many, fact I bought them all yesterday.
Xotic Wah (XW-1)
Fuzztration
Catalinbread Belle Epoch Deluxe (echo unit cb-3)
Tumnus Deluxe
Catalinbread Royal Albert Hall (RAH)
Playing through a Friedman Dirty Shirley 40 Combo
59’ Gibson Les Paul Custom
(Amp has an effects loop), so I’m guessing some would go before and some inside the loop?
How would you organize these?
Kind Regards
Armando
Put the delay through the effects loop, run the Wah first, and then i would run Tumnus int the RAH before fuzztration but there is no “right answer”- you will need to play with your particular amp setup and see how you like it 🙂
Hi, I’m looking at replacing my Soul Food with a Tumnus (do you have a Newfoundland, Canada dealer?). Would I be better off placing it after my Empress Distortion and Rams Head Fuzz so that I can sculpt to tones coming out of the other pedal?
My perfect match comes from Plexi Drive with the Russian Green Big Muff. Plexi Drive is simply the perfect overdrive pedal. I also use Boss CS-2 and EHX Soul Food together. I use Stratocaster and tried Pinnacle but it sounded too compressed, one more day I’ll try Tumnus. I’m a big fan of your pedals, greetings from Brazil.
Hi! I have Tumnus Deluxe and recently added the Clarksdale to my board. I currently have the CD first, then the TD (after my Digitech Whammy and Wah pedal). Should I switch the TD first, then the Clarksdale? Should I replace the Clarksdale with something else? I’m not terribly experienced, but looking to learn more. Thank you for your help.
What would the benefit be of running a Tumnus Deluxe after the Belle OD?
Can you recommend the best way to get a wall of sound feel from stacking these two pedals together settings wise? Thanks
Its personal taste – I personally like to have the Tumnus go into the Belle but it sounds great the other way too!
Thank for these guidelines! My stack are currently boss sd1-boss hm2-empress heavy, using The sd1 for more clipping into The hm2, full eq on hm2 into The empress equals brutal death metal sluggish riffing ????????
All I can say is whatever dirt stacking you do, the Tumnus is just the secret sauce to use — sometimes before (before the Euphoria for sure) sometimes after (try it after a TS-10). It is an unreal pedal, cannot say enough good things.
I recently purchased a Plexi-Drive Deluxe and tried driving it with an EHX Soul Food instead of the built-in boost. When I dig in the Plexi-Drive gets very squishy and will cut out at the transient. This happens even when the Soul Food is turned off. As a test I tried driving it with my Tube Screamer Mini. Again, even with the TS off the Plexi-Drive will cut out when I dig in. I bought a second Plexi-Drive Deluxe, thinking it was defective, but it exhibited the same behavior.
It seems 2.2nF in series with R15 may have done the job.
Apologies if this isn’t the right place to bring this up. I’m simply wondering if anyone can confirm this issue.
Hi Wampler,
I am purchasing the Plexi Mini and I have a Strat with pickups that are really not high output. Will my Strat have a hard time getting a descent overdrive tone or will it sound good with low output pickups. I am going after the gain overdrive tone that was demonstrated in the Wampler video where a Tele was used. Also, in the event I wanted more gain, can I use a Tubescreamer to push the pedal without to much saturation?
Thanks for your help.
Sounds Great through pretty much all pickups 🙂 I Love it with a strat Neck pickup
Not trying to be a jerk here but if you were paying attention to Brian the point he was making all along is every set up is going to be different due to pick up output and what type of amp you’re using. You can take the same 2 pedals and use a different guitar and amp and get wildly different results. EXPLORE people. It’s so much fun to sit down and spend hours testing things out. You will run across some really cool tones you never expected. I think there may be one rule. When stacking you are probaly gonna need a noise gate/suppressor. When properly set it wont suck your tone. Me….what works for me is OD 1st into fuzz pedals then gate/ suppressor. Buts that’s just me. Embrace the journey
I have RYRA 808 , RYRA KLONE and MI EFFECTS SUPER CRUNCH BOX distortion.
What is your advice ?
Guitar – KLONE > 808 > SUPER CRUNCH – Amp or Guitar – SUPER CRUNCN > 808 > KLONE – Amp?
Thanks for your help, Best Regards…
Thanks again for your tutorials! I’m using the Nobels mini into the tumnus – leaving tumnus at 2,(unity)9,2 almost full time and engaging the nobels before it for leads.
Any thoughts.
Hi. I know this is an old video and chat. But, I got my Dual Fusion Wednesday this week and I’ve already have in my board the following: Comp-Pantheon Deluxe-Mxr Duke of Tone then Vol pedal. I placed the Dual Fusion before the Vol pedal since I thought i wanted the feel and sound of the D style Channel 1 from the Dual Fusion as my main core tone before it gets to the Amp (Kemper Matchless Spirfire profile) is this correct? Or would you recommend having the Dual Fusion first, right after the Comp? Thank you so much for any feedback.
Happy Thanksgiving 2022.
Just got a Wampler Plexi Deluxe (stoked).
To save me some time…What chain order would you recommend, I also have a modded Soul Pog (wild turkey and Germainiam mods on the soul food – a Klon clone), a Crowther Hot Cake and a MXR Classic 108 fuzz (fuzz face style circuit).
Thanks in advance
Boss DS-1 distortion pedal is the best I believe. I have an amazing article on it. You can have a look at this below to learn in detail:—
https://dissectiontable.com/guitar-distortion-effects-10-best-pedals/
This was very informative, thank you. My only drive pedal right now is the Belle. Any suggestions on what other pedal stacks well with the Belle?
Thanks
Hi Wampler pedals,
Love your videos and love your podcasts.
Do you mind giving me some advice on stacking my pedals that might enable me to use my guitar volume pot to get different gain levels. I’m basically looking for sustained wailing on volume 10 on the guitar volume pot down to sweet cleanish sounds on volume 5 or 6.
I play a Strat through a marshall type amp on the edge, and use either a J Rocket ikon klon or a tubescreamer running into an analogman sunface fuzz. Is there another way you might go about this?
Im not adverse to stacking more than 2 pedals together. I’ve also got (but not in my chain at the moment) analogman prince of tone that sometimes I use as a booster, and also a compressor pedal. I don’t know if this sounds silly, but sometimes I’ll use the compressor as not just a compressor but also a booster(does that sound weird?).
Sorry if all that sounds like a load of jibberish, hopefully you can decipher it and help me out.
Thanks alot
Ian
Hi Brian 🙋♂️
My Name is Bryan Too! In My Effects Chain
I’m Running A Vox 1st After My Guitar 2nd A Ibanez ts808 3rd Nobels Odr1 4th 5th Wampler Triumph 6th 7th Wampler Phenom 8th Boss Metalcore And A Boss G7EQ In My Effects Loop Of My Marshall.
Do I Have My Order Right With My Tubescreamer An Nobels An Triumph For A 3 Gain Staging Scenario. I’d like To Start Clean 1 Then Get Semi Gritty 2 Then Use The 3rd Pedal For Solos. I Having Trouble Getting My Triumph To Lay on Top Of The 1st An 2nd Stage When I Run Them Together. I
Dont Stack With The Phenom Or Metalcore I Run Them Seperate 1st Thru My Looper And The Play On Top Of Them With My 3 Overdrives Using 1 or 2 At A Time. The Order of The Ts808 An Triumph An Nobels Is Where Im Running Into Sound Clashes Do You Any Suggestions They Would Be Greatly Appreciated An I LOVE MY Wampler Pedals, I’ll Be Purchasing The Pantheon Soon From Sweetwater 👍
Live your videos. I keep going back and forth with my drives. Tumnus into nobels mini or nobels into tumnus. I also always keep a spark mini boost before them and one after for volume if needed.
So any insight on this? Thanks
I like to play rock and metal but lately it’s been a lot of blues style stuff. Mainly Pink Floyd. David Gilmour specifically but I like to spank some country and classic rock as well from time to time. My chain is Guitar>TU3>ISP Decimator>Triangle Big Muff>TS9>BD2>Paisley Deluxe>MXR 6 Band EQ> Oceans 11 Reverb> Keeley Dark Side> Strymon Mobius> Traynor YBA1> Traynor 212 with Greenbacks.
Do you recommend any changes or additions to clean things up or fill it out?